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		<title>Comment on Draw your own conclusion in 3 steps by David Rosemont</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Rosemont]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[.........................and the architects are the indians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.and the architects are the indians.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Looking back by David Rosemont</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Rosemont]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s no surprise then- see my quote re Wandsworth Delta earlier today.

The only thing certain is that millions of pounds of tax payer&#039;s and others&#039; money has been poured down the tubes in the interim, and many a nice pension fund built up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s no surprise then- see my quote re Wandsworth Delta earlier today.</p>
<p>The only thing certain is that millions of pounds of tax payer&#8217;s and others&#8217; money has been poured down the tubes in the interim, and many a nice pension fund built up.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Draw your own conclusion in 3 steps by Cyril Richert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyril Richert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wandsworth is the wild west for developers as someone said to me recently...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wandsworth is the wild west for developers as someone said to me recently&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Draw your own conclusion in 3 steps by David Rosemont</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Rosemont]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For ten years I was the elected Chairman of the Wandsworth Challenge Partnership, the Single Regeneration Partnership for Wandsworth Town Centre, which included the mouth of the Wandle.

It may be about 15 (fifteen!) years ago that after a great deal of debate, the Partnership commissioned at great public expense of consultants fees and consultation by local interested groups and individuals an Urban Design Framework which gave a sort of template for the area with which there was general accord. All that seems to have been forgotten or dumped and what seems to be happening now is a free for all without a comprehensive concept of the sort of place people want.

The &quot;Vision&quot; was a Wandsworth Delta (sic) being a place where the unique feature of the Wandle and the development opportunities could be fused into an exemplar project. The word &quot;exemplar&quot; has now been hijacked to cover a few highways improvements in Clapham Junction and the Delta project looks like a fond memory.

That appears to be resulting in an anarchic scramble for mass and poor design at the expense of a decent environment. All the aspirations seem to have been binned.

What&#039;s more if many of the schemes get planning consent it&#039;s likely/probable that the procurement process (i.e. getting it built) will result in loss of quality and detail. You only need to look around recently built schemes to appreciate that (locally and nationally).

I don&#039;t have an aversion to tall buildings used sparingly and in the right place, but the overall grain, density and quality need to come together. In one hundred years will people say &quot;now that really was something good!&quot; about what is apparently happening at the Delta? I think not if current directions are maintained.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For ten years I was the elected Chairman of the Wandsworth Challenge Partnership, the Single Regeneration Partnership for Wandsworth Town Centre, which included the mouth of the Wandle.</p>
<p>It may be about 15 (fifteen!) years ago that after a great deal of debate, the Partnership commissioned at great public expense of consultants fees and consultation by local interested groups and individuals an Urban Design Framework which gave a sort of template for the area with which there was general accord. All that seems to have been forgotten or dumped and what seems to be happening now is a free for all without a comprehensive concept of the sort of place people want.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Vision&#8221; was a Wandsworth Delta (sic) being a place where the unique feature of the Wandle and the development opportunities could be fused into an exemplar project. The word &#8220;exemplar&#8221; has now been hijacked to cover a few highways improvements in Clapham Junction and the Delta project looks like a fond memory.</p>
<p>That appears to be resulting in an anarchic scramble for mass and poor design at the expense of a decent environment. All the aspirations seem to have been binned.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more if many of the schemes get planning consent it&#8217;s likely/probable that the procurement process (i.e. getting it built) will result in loss of quality and detail. You only need to look around recently built schemes to appreciate that (locally and nationally).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have an aversion to tall buildings used sparingly and in the right place, but the overall grain, density and quality need to come together. In one hundred years will people say &#8220;now that really was something good!&#8221; about what is apparently happening at the Delta? I think not if current directions are maintained.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Network Rail said: CJ has received already a lot of money, don&#8217;t expect more in the next 10 years! by Cyril Richert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyril Richert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many statutory, political and business forums will be consulted before any plans are drawn up of course. However this is also an opportunity for local residents to have their say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many statutory, political and business forums will be consulted before any plans are drawn up of course. However this is also an opportunity for local residents to have their say.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Network Rail said: CJ has received already a lot of money, don&#8217;t expect more in the next 10 years! by David Rosemont</title>
		<link>http://towerscj.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/network-rail-said-cj-has-received-already-a-lot-of-money-dont-expect-more-in-the-next-10-years/#comment-1724</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Rosemont]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The banks are really not out of the merde yet, look at very recent events. One has to look at global power shifts which have been accelerated by the mindless greed of some City boys.

I am expecting the euro to go down rather quicker than any regeneration of CJ is likely to happen. The UK economy has been fractured in the same way as Haiti and I&#039;m putting 10 years on it (CJ) mon ami.

Judging my your lack of comment on my central point about partnerships I take that as an agreement!

Just to confirm my interest in CJ we have just invested in it, taking a ten year window of course,

Pip pip]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The banks are really not out of the merde yet, look at very recent events. One has to look at global power shifts which have been accelerated by the mindless greed of some City boys.</p>
<p>I am expecting the euro to go down rather quicker than any regeneration of CJ is likely to happen. The UK economy has been fractured in the same way as Haiti and I&#8217;m putting 10 years on it (CJ) mon ami.</p>
<p>Judging my your lack of comment on my central point about partnerships I take that as an agreement!</p>
<p>Just to confirm my interest in CJ we have just invested in it, taking a ten year window of course,</p>
<p>Pip pip</p>
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		<title>Comment on Network Rail said: CJ has received already a lot of money, don&#8217;t expect more in the next 10 years! by Cyril Richert</title>
		<link>http://towerscj.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/network-rail-said-cj-has-received-already-a-lot-of-money-dont-expect-more-in-the-next-10-years/#comment-1722</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cyril Richert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Rosemont&gt;Our point is not that we shouldn&#039;t consider (and welcome) private investments, but that NR should be at the core of the project, not only watching.
As I gave the example of Birmingham redevelopment at the end of the meeting, NR quickly dismissed the fact saying that they were only in charge of the station.
As we reported, the £600m project is made by £400m of public money, the rest being brought up by public investors.
I only hope that NR was not trying to explain that their £400m for redeveloping the station was a negligible share of the project and that the station was not the heart of the scheme!
http://towerscj.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/a-major-station-redevelopment-project/

Regarding the country being virtually bankrupt, there is a bit of an exaggeration. Albeit the financial state not being brilliant (contrary to the banks which recovered very quickly! ;-) ) we are far from the situation of the PIIGS (as the English press calls them, i.e. Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain). The British pounds might have lost 33% of its value in 1.5 years, the pressure is currently also on the euro where the spread between Germany (the best of the class) and Greece (in situation of repeating) is widening and put the system in danger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Rosemont&gt;Our point is not that we shouldn&#8217;t consider (and welcome) private investments, but that NR should be at the core of the project, not only watching.<br />
As I gave the example of Birmingham redevelopment at the end of the meeting, NR quickly dismissed the fact saying that they were only in charge of the station.<br />
As we reported, the £600m project is made by £400m of public money, the rest being brought up by public investors.<br />
I only hope that NR was not trying to explain that their £400m for redeveloping the station was a negligible share of the project and that the station was not the heart of the scheme!<br />
<a href="http://towerscj.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/a-major-station-redevelopment-project/" rel="nofollow">http://towerscj.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/a-major-station-redevelopment-project/</a></p>
<p>Regarding the country being virtually bankrupt, there is a bit of an exaggeration. Albeit the financial state not being brilliant (contrary to the banks which recovered very quickly! <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) we are far from the situation of the PIIGS (as the English press calls them, i.e. Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain). The British pounds might have lost 33% of its value in 1.5 years, the pressure is currently also on the euro where the spread between Germany (the best of the class) and Greece (in situation of repeating) is widening and put the system in danger.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tall building policy &#8211; proposal by David Rosemont</title>
		<link>http://towerscj.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/tall-building-policy-proposal/#comment-1721</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Rosemont]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe something to do with hot air?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe something to do with hot air?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Network Rail said: CJ has received already a lot of money, don&#8217;t expect more in the next 10 years! by David Rosemont</title>
		<link>http://towerscj.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/network-rail-said-cj-has-received-already-a-lot-of-money-dont-expect-more-in-the-next-10-years/#comment-1720</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Rosemont]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I maintain as I always have, that significant improvements at Clapham Junction station (taken to mean the whole of the immediate site including the failed Delancey scheme) have no chance of happening without significant private sector investment and intent. For that to happen everybody just has to take on board that no investors will come forward until they think that there is a measure of agreement locally between the private, public and voluntary sectors. It&#039;s easy to kick the private sector but there are many others responsible as well. 

What is required is a more open and effective local partnership. Several years have been wasted by the recent debacle, caused by differing and irreconcilable interests, and it&#039;s by no means certain when there will be another chance. Until that chance emerges (and it will emerge sooner if there is a strong local partnership) local residents, businesses and visitors will have to continue much as now. Minor improvements may be possible, but really only tinkering, when a bolder, better thought out scheme would have been so much more.

I certainly wouldn&#039;t count on more money coming from the Government in the sahpe of Adonis now. Hadn&#039;t anybody heard the country is virtually bankrupt? We can&#039;t even afford proper defence of the country. The spiralling cost of government and the defence of the banks are inevitably coming home to roost and British people will suffer for some time because of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I maintain as I always have, that significant improvements at Clapham Junction station (taken to mean the whole of the immediate site including the failed Delancey scheme) have no chance of happening without significant private sector investment and intent. For that to happen everybody just has to take on board that no investors will come forward until they think that there is a measure of agreement locally between the private, public and voluntary sectors. It&#8217;s easy to kick the private sector but there are many others responsible as well. </p>
<p>What is required is a more open and effective local partnership. Several years have been wasted by the recent debacle, caused by differing and irreconcilable interests, and it&#8217;s by no means certain when there will be another chance. Until that chance emerges (and it will emerge sooner if there is a strong local partnership) local residents, businesses and visitors will have to continue much as now. Minor improvements may be possible, but really only tinkering, when a bolder, better thought out scheme would have been so much more.</p>
<p>I certainly wouldn&#8217;t count on more money coming from the Government in the sahpe of Adonis now. Hadn&#8217;t anybody heard the country is virtually bankrupt? We can&#8217;t even afford proper defence of the country. The spiralling cost of government and the defence of the banks are inevitably coming home to roost and British people will suffer for some time because of it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Network Rail said: CJ has received already a lot of money, don&#8217;t expect more in the next 10 years! by Kate Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am confused.  Why do NR think there is any distinction to be made between residents and passengers?  We may be a local residents group, but what we are interested in is a decent 21st centuary station which meets the needs of its passengers. CJ may be Britain&#039;s biggest interchange, but the majority of the station&#039;s users start or end their journeys here. The requirements of passengers and CJ residents are therefore identical. 

Building proper station buildings, extending the over-pass and/or underpass, and platform lengthening and straightening works are absolutely essential if CJ is to be brought up to standard and fit to cope with the future expansion of passanger numbers.  It is insulting to suggest that these are the responsibility of the Council or part of any wider regeneration agenda. The responsibility falls squarely on Network Rail, and any scheme to address these issues should clearly be NR led.

I am also horrified to hear that the £20 million allocated for lengthening and straightening works has been withdrawn.  this leaves the station some £15million WORSE OFF than when Lord Adonis announced the emergency funding.  To think that overcrowding issues will be solved by extending the canopies so that folks won&#039;t all stand in the same place when it is raining is laughable. 

I think some more lobbying of Lord Adonis and others is urgently needed. 

Kate]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am confused.  Why do NR think there is any distinction to be made between residents and passengers?  We may be a local residents group, but what we are interested in is a decent 21st centuary station which meets the needs of its passengers. CJ may be Britain&#8217;s biggest interchange, but the majority of the station&#8217;s users start or end their journeys here. The requirements of passengers and CJ residents are therefore identical. </p>
<p>Building proper station buildings, extending the over-pass and/or underpass, and platform lengthening and straightening works are absolutely essential if CJ is to be brought up to standard and fit to cope with the future expansion of passanger numbers.  It is insulting to suggest that these are the responsibility of the Council or part of any wider regeneration agenda. The responsibility falls squarely on Network Rail, and any scheme to address these issues should clearly be NR led.</p>
<p>I am also horrified to hear that the £20 million allocated for lengthening and straightening works has been withdrawn.  this leaves the station some £15million WORSE OFF than when Lord Adonis announced the emergency funding.  To think that overcrowding issues will be solved by extending the canopies so that folks won&#8217;t all stand in the same place when it is raining is laughable. </p>
<p>I think some more lobbying of Lord Adonis and others is urgently needed. </p>
<p>Kate</p>
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